Ezek 33:7 I have made you a watchman...therefore you shall hear a word from My mouth and warn them for Me.

Tuesday, February 11, 2025

Some Surprising Facts About our Resurrection


Perhaps the most important question of all time, to a lot of people, is, What happens after we die?  Is there life after death?   This question has puzzled mankind since Adam, and there are many different theories suggested.   But God is rather clear in the Bible on this subject, as He would be, since Scripture claims in various places that He loves His children—so He would tell us “where we’re moving to” when we die.  

 

So, let’s study what the Word says on the “moving” issue.  Let’s promise ourselves that what the Scripture says is more important than what our church says—after all, different church denominations interpret it differently.  I believe the correct doctrine includes an intermediate state (we're not speaking of Catholic beliefs).  Few people believe this anymore--it has either been warped or lost.  Most Protestant denominations believe that saved people, after death, immediately go to be with Christ. But there is an intermediate state—the earliest church, by 100 AD, believed that—and it’s definitely in Scripture.  Let’s take a look at it.

 

The ONLY detailed explanation of life just beyond the grave is found in Jesus’ account of the rich man and Lazarus.  See Luke 16:22-31, where Jesus says: 

 

22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’  27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”

 

 

What do we see in these verses?  

  1)  The previously poor man is in “Abraham’s bosom,” v.22. He is “comforted.” The rich man is “afar off”—a “great gulf fixed” away--suffering. They can communicate with one another, so they’re both likely in the same place. That place, with saved and condemned people, is called "hades" in most Bible translations-- which is a correct rendering of the Greek word.   Abraham's bosom is the” good” part of this place, but the "hot" section is the bad part. Beware--some translations use “hell” in Luke 16:23, which is a different Greek word not in this verse, and as a result, Christians reject Luke 16 as a “stopover” for them.

 2)Getting back to Scripture, the pagan is “in torments.”  He “cries out” in agony.  Thirst is a serious problem, since a flame is nearby. He has a memory--he is well aware of his previous life, since he remembered his brothers and now wants to see them saved from this.  This adds to his anxiety, and adds to his suffering.

3)  As vv 27-31 show, there is no way that someone in hades can warn those still alive.  There is no communication between dead and living.  Thus, we conclude that seances would be meaningless, today as well as then.

  

4)  Those who are I the “bad” side of hades will all later be thrown into hell.  Revelation 20:14:

 

      Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

 

5)   Jesus, as the designer of hades, speaks through Abraham, and is tough on the former rich man.  He is willing to let him suffer, acknowledging “you are tormented” --yet without relieving him—because it’s too late for persuasion. Might as well let him see the judgement side of God. His ultimate destination of hell is fixed.  When the man complains of his suffering, Jesus through Abraham even taunts him, reminding him of the reversal of roles for the two of them—and telling him: those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’   This man is tormented by a flame—here and in the real hell—forever. 

A dreaded and powerful scene! I'm saying that these statements are based on reality; they are not just a "parable."  Modern theologians don't want to consider this a doctrine, because it makes God look incompassionate.  I don't think it is a parable; it's a doctrine, since it has named Lazarus, and parables don’t give names.  Plus, this is the only place in Scripture for what happens right after death. Let's imagine it was a parable--would Jesus set forth a deception about what happens when we die--would He express an untruth on such an important issue?  Especially considering we know so little about this important subject elsewhere in Scripture.  Would He say, "Hah!  I fooled you.  This story is all a lie about what happens beyond death.  Now that I’ve still left you in the dark, you can continue worrying about it. I didn’t feel like giving a straight answer to this very important question."  I think not.  
 
Part of the reason I believe this intermediate state, hades, is a truth is that it fits in with other verses in Scripture:

 

(1) If we have faith and live for the Lord, at death our spirit and our body separate from one another:  We are in the spirit, comforted by the Holy Spirit (shown by the comfort of Abraham’s bosom).

 

(2) We know there will be a day of judgment. We will see God’s uncompassionate wrath. Matthew 25:31-32, using the New King James version:

         “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.  33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in.

 

An unfortunate aside: The word "nations" is a poor translation from the Greek "ethnos," which really means "a multitude of people of the same nature." Using “nations” gives you the impression that an entire nation is a sheep, or an entire nation is a goat. That gives you the impression that one nation might end up on His right, going to heaven, but another nation ends up on the left, or going to hell. But it cannot be that everyone in a nation will be judged the same, and all of its people are sheep, or another nation has all of its people lost. No, Scripture is clear that we are all individually judged.  Perhaps verse 32 should read “All the people will be gathered…” Or, I like the NIV:

All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another…(Unfortunately, the usually reliable NKJV above has “nation” and then “He will separate them ( nations?) one from another…”  My point in these verses is, nobody on the hell-side is allowed to argue against the terribleness that awaits. You could be on the right, and looking at your relative on the left. You know you will never see them again. Imagine that.

 

(3) At the Judgment, the unsaved people, from the "bad" side of hades, went to hell; and the saved sheep, from the comforted in spirit side, get their bodies resurrected, and then salvation is complete.  Like Jesus, then we will have new body and spirit--all perfect, all desirous of doing His will (finally). 

 

(4) Yet another reason to believe in this Scripture as God’s version of the intermediate state is that this was universally believed by the earliest church fathers; they were brilliant men in their knowledge of Scripture, and believed it was truth.  They knew their Greek backward and forward, they knew the culture, they could have asked questions of the apostles, and got answers, or from someone only a generation removed from them.  Consider also that that early church was the most dynamic and godly church in history; so I believe their theology was accurate, and God blessed them because of that by touching their evangelism greatly.   

 

Now here are other supporting Scriptures for the intermediate state: 

1. Luke 23:43 records Jesus’ words on the Cross to the dying and just-saved thief alongside:  

      And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

What's Paradise?  Think with me: if the saved poor man’s first stopover after death, from Luke 16, is “Abraham’s bosom,” as we saw above, and if the first stopover for the just-saved thief is in “paradise,” we have to conclude paradise is the same thing as Abraham’s bosom.  Namely, the good side of hades.  We conclude that paradise is NOT heaven, but an intermediate state, hades.

 

2. Jesus went to hades too, when He died, as proved by Matthew 12:40 and parts of Acts 2:22-27, Here are the words of Jesus:  

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

Here are the words of Peter:

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs…you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:  Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.27 For You will not leave my soul in hades, nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption From Psalm 16:10).

So Jesus did not die and go straight to heaven because He was in "the heart of the earth," which is definitely not heaven; nor did He go to hell, called “gehenna” in Greek, the lake of fire, a different Greek word than the two verses above.  The only choice left is that He went to the good side of hades. Jesus told the thief that he was going to paradise with Him--yet the two verses above clearly show, He went to hades.  If the good thief was going to join him, hades can’t be hell, because it makes no sense that the good thief would go to hell. This is proof that hades and hell are not the same thing. Jesus is explaining hades in Luke 16. It makes sense that hades is deep in the earth. Jesus’ soul did not remain in hades long—three days and nights; He then went to heaven. 

These truths about the intermediate state were so universally believed by the earliest Christians that it became part of the original Apostles’ Creed:  I believe in God the Father Almighty…and in Jesus Christ…was crucified, dead and buried.  He descended to hades (the proper translation of the Greek word, which agrees with other verses we’ve examined); on the third day rose from the dead…

 

3. John 14:1-3:  

“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Note the underlined phrase. Jesus is saying that at His Second Coming (not before), “where I am (heaven), there you may be also.”  This proves that when the righteous die, they do not go immediately to heaven to be with Jesus.  Why?  Well, Jesus flatly tells them that they don’t get there until His Second Coming, the resurrection, when all the saved go up there at the same time. He has to “come again” (His second coming) and "receive" us, and then the saved go up to heaven.  If we were already in heaven when we die, He would not have to “come (to earth) again” to get us.  No, the truth is, our spirits are in the heart of the earth, in hades, waiting to join our new body for "pick up.” The pick up will be better than a really hot hot air balloon, better than being the delivery token for an Amazon drone. And our body? Well, speaking for myself—I will lose the fat and flabby and creaky.

 

4. John 5:28-29:

      Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Thus, both groups will “come forth” (at the second coming) to the Judgment, possibly at the same time. If that’s the case, hades will be emptied all at once.  It gets true believers, soul and body, from hades to heaven, not from heaven to heaven+ body.

Hopefully these many Scriptures will be convincing.  But, you ask, "I don't think anyone teaches this, how can it be correct?"  Well, many Mennonites, some Brethren, some Amish, some in the Restoration movement, some conservative Anglicans still teach this. Am I saying, most of us has had it wrong for centuries?  How could that be? The speculation is, teaching on the intermediate state, believed by the early church fathers’ writings, has gotten dropped because the Protestant Reformation (Luther, Calvin) tried to get as far away from the Catholics’ false teachings, including purgatory.  Purgatory, the Catholic idea of the intermediate state, teaches that (a) the intermediate state can cleanse your sins and (b) it can change final status. Double False.  Scripture shows that hades (the real intermediate state) does not change final status, as we saw in Luke.  The sincere pleadings of the rich man were greeted coldly. He encountered Jesus not as merciful, but as an uncompassionate Judge.  Remember, few are saved (Matthew 7:14).  We are shocked and sometimes uncomfortable about seeing this "negative side" of God.  (That might explain why theologians can’t connect Luke 16 with a real doctrine). But God doesn't think as we do.  We cannot imagine, for instance, how deep is God’s hatred about sin.  If you’re unsaved when you go into hades, you’re unsaved when you go out.  Period.  There is no Scriptural basis for “cleansing from sin” in that state either.  The idea that you can purge your own sin is completely false and anti-Biblical, as Scripture points out, and I point out in many blogs. Jesus has done that cleansing from sin for us. The “works vs faith” argument was what kick-started the Reformation—a just movement, but it went to wrong theology on some minor points to get away from looking Catholic. (Yes, this discussion is minor when you consider “how can I get to heaven?” THAT’S major.)

Next, Catholicism teaches that there is a special status for those the Church classified as “saints”—they get to go straight to heaven.  Everybody else has to go to purgatory to “work off” their sins.  False.  Scripture is clear that everyone saved is a saint. It’s fixed at death. Also, there are no “status” Christians.  Philippians 1:1 says:   

Paul and Timothy, bondservants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops and deacons. 

 If saints are the “status” Christians, why is Paul calling every Christian a “saint,” and, oh yes, let’s not forget the separate listing of bishops and deacons as saints.  How do you explain that?  

John Calvin, who formulated many Protestant doctrines (not my favorite person, as I have a blog on him), dropped the intermediate state doctrine totally.  So both Catholics and most “mainline” Protestants have it wrong.  You’ve got to read Scripture for yourselves, folks. They had an agenda.

PS.  This explanation of the “order of events” is simple and uncomplicated, as long as you don't believe in a separate Rapture.  Keep in mind, a separate rapture means that Jesus comes three times, which is un-Scriptural.  They're saying, first coming was His Incarnation; second, His "rapture;" third, His coming in judgment.  I have a separate series of blogs challenging this.  If you DO believe in a Rapture, the explanation for how 'who goes to heaven when' twists Scripture around like a pretzel to figure out. I won't even try; somehow I feel that God would make it simple to figure out the important question of "where do we go when we die?" But people have “itching ears,” and are oh-so willing to lean away from Scripture.

 

A verse that the "straight to heaven" crowd likes: Philippians 1:23:

For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.

Paul is not stating hard-and fast theology. He is just personally wondering which is better--to live and support Christians, or to die and be with Christ? He could mean “eventually” on that second option. Consider also that the Holy Spirit could be in hades with the spirit of a Christian after death, so He is "with" us in hades. So this verse, with the personal element, does not lock the case for the "straight to heaven" group.

Another favorite of theirs is Act 7:56, 59, at the martyrdom of Stephen:

and (Stephen) said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” 59 And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

Well, Stephen is the first New Testament martyr; plus, he has just given a severe verbal admonishment to the Jews about their history defying God, and Jesus could be confirming or comforting him by showing up.  Naturally, a man near death would react by saying, "Jesus, receive my spirit."  Keep in mind, that's what a man is quoting, and not necessarily God.  Think of the musings of Job in Scripture; they're not all correct for doctrine.

Finally, II Corinthians 5:8:

We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.


This is clearly the "straight to heaven" folks' favorite verse. But...when there are abundant verses above telling us differently, should we believe that God changed the doctrine, and only indicated the change by this one verse?  Would God do that on such an important teaching as "where we go when we die?"  

 

So, as I'm speaking with mostly "straight to heaven" crowd--we should consider opening our mind to a different definition of these verses in Luke 16.  What I see is, none of these ‘contrary’ verses lock down the "straight to heaven" idea. My many verses on the intermediate state logically string together a solid case for the good side of hades, then later heaven at His second coming.    

It's not a new idea. After all, it was doctrinal by the believing Jews, then believed by the young church for another 600 years, then the Catholic church perverted it. Then it was dropped by most. 

If you want to know more about what Scripture really says on How Do You Get Saved, you need to know that Catholics and many Protestants have not emphasized the right doctrine as well.   I have a blog just on salvation, and another on initial and final salvation.  Also, though, would be to read the Gospels over and over, noting what Jesus says on that very subject.  He is quite clear.

 

Acknowledgement:  David Bercot, CD, “Life After Death."  Scroll Publishing

 

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